Hm... on one hand strong on the gender cliches. Not taking female gamers serious is going to end with you losing badly. I've honestly not seen it happen. It's something of an urban legend perpetuated amongst feminists.
On the other hand, no boobs and periods. Probably a good reason to quit being a girl. And well, I guess more friends that share your hobbies.
I don't play games online enough to say with any certainty how common mistreatment of female players is, though I've read enough articles about it (and similar - Gamergate, for example) that I'd be very reluctant to dismiss the experiences of those who say it is a problem.
Gamergate? Wasn't that just feminists finally picking a fight with people who had both the will and the means to fight back?
I think only the male nerd has the time and will to actually fight a flamewar with professional feminists to the bitter end. lol.
My experience is that this stuff only seems to happen to professional feminists. Victim cred, I guess. Gives good materials for blogposts and hopefully allows to trend a hashtag or something. That's about as realistic as "healthy" sweets in advertisements.
I think that's what bothering me most here. It's more like a girl repeating the feminist party line, instead of an f2m trans person anticipating the growth of his penis. "I hate how I don't get insulted in games". "Rich you asshole, why did you miss that fucker. I bought it - I want that my friends talk like that to me"
Instead it's "guys just don't respect me". I think "I always feel like an outsider, guys are too polite" more convincing. That's what real gamer girls actually complained about. Some dudes would treat them like they're made from sugar.
It's probably really annoying from a girls pov even if they're not going trans. But on the other hand it's probably the rare occassion where male nerds actually meet females that are interested in the same stuff as they're, so they're hardly to be blamed for awkward attempts at flirting.
Usually that kind of stuff goes away when people get to know each other. Heh, I remember our (female) Wow guild leader: "You can call me an asshole, you know. I've got an asshole too." lol.
Well, I don't claim any great expertise on Gamergate, but there do seem to be two very different narratives on that whole affair - one in which women were sent rape threats, death threats and pictures of mutilated dogs because they dared to critique the way women are depicted in gaming, and another version in which something something journalistic ethics. As you might surmise, I find the former version more convincing, though I'm happy to admit that I could be wrong. However, you're probably right about the way women are treated in gaming and nerd culture generally - the shy/nervous/overly polite ones probably do outnumber the creepy gropey sexist doxxy ones by a significant factor. However, they aren't the ones who stir up all the controversy. The outsider/too polite thing is an interesting take on things though - something I'm going to have to bear in mind for future F2M stuff...
Perf story, perf pics! I love your F2M stuff, it's so rich and inventive ~DAGS
ReplyDeleteThank you!
ReplyDeleteHm... on one hand strong on the gender cliches. Not taking female gamers serious is going to end with you losing badly. I've honestly not seen it happen. It's something of an urban legend perpetuated amongst feminists.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, no boobs and periods. Probably a good reason to quit being a girl. And well, I guess more friends that share your hobbies.
I don't play games online enough to say with any certainty how common mistreatment of female players is, though I've read enough articles about it (and similar - Gamergate, for example) that I'd be very reluctant to dismiss the experiences of those who say it is a problem.
ReplyDeleteGamergate? Wasn't that just feminists finally picking a fight with people who had both the will and the means to fight back?
ReplyDeleteI think only the male nerd has the time and will to actually fight a flamewar with professional feminists to the bitter end. lol.
My experience is that this stuff only seems to happen to professional feminists. Victim cred, I guess. Gives good materials for blogposts and hopefully allows to trend a hashtag or something. That's about as realistic as "healthy" sweets in advertisements.
I think that's what bothering me most here. It's more like a girl repeating the feminist party line, instead of an f2m trans person anticipating the growth of his penis.
"I hate how I don't get insulted in games". "Rich you asshole, why did you miss that fucker. I bought it - I want that my friends talk like that to me"
Instead it's "guys just don't respect me". I think "I always feel like an outsider, guys are too polite" more convincing. That's what real gamer girls actually complained about. Some dudes would treat them like they're made from sugar.
It's probably really annoying from a girls pov even if they're not going trans. But on the other hand it's probably the rare occassion where male nerds actually meet females that are interested in the same stuff as they're, so they're hardly to be blamed for awkward attempts at flirting.
Usually that kind of stuff goes away when people get to know each other. Heh, I remember our (female) Wow guild leader: "You can call me an asshole, you know. I've got an asshole too." lol.
Well, I don't claim any great expertise on Gamergate, but there do seem to be two very different narratives on that whole affair - one in which women were sent rape threats, death threats and pictures of mutilated dogs because they dared to critique the way women are depicted in gaming, and another version in which something something journalistic ethics. As you might surmise, I find the former version more convincing, though I'm happy to admit that I could be wrong.
ReplyDeleteHowever, you're probably right about the way women are treated in gaming and nerd culture generally - the shy/nervous/overly polite ones probably do outnumber the creepy gropey sexist doxxy ones by a significant factor. However, they aren't the ones who stir up all the controversy.
The outsider/too polite thing is an interesting take on things though - something I'm going to have to bear in mind for future F2M stuff...