It'll be a sad loss next week- I mean, Enjoy your real life :P Great story, lovely real models as always. Wonder how often the girled guys end up with guyed girls, I think you toyed with it once and it was a nifty concept...if you're stuck for ideas :) -DAGS
Thank you! Yeah, I probably should take a look at the guyification side of things more. There's very little out there in the way of M2F fiction out there, and I don't think I've EVER seen an M2F cap. I've genuinely considered doing some for the sheer novelty value. I'm not sure the average fan of TG caps sites would really appreciate shots of a naked guy going "God, I love my new cock, this is so much better than being Joanna!" I could do one where there's a M2F and and F2M change - possibly a body swap - but with those things the F2M is usually treated as an afterthought, and I don't like the way the F2M fandom is marginalised in an already niche-community. So... TLDR? It's tricky, especially finding appropriate images to work with, but I'll bear it in mind. No guarantees though.
(I think you meant F2M most times you said M2F, there.)
HAH! If that exact line isn't in the first Female2Male cap you do, I'll be super disappointed. TG captions are a surprisingly thriving niche community- though I've never found anyone offline who's into it...not that I've asked too many people... Female2Male is a rare breed but can be really solid sometimes (http://crr3483.tumblr.com/post/85178183869/new-female-to-male-caption-made-by-request for example). A body swap would be nifty or more stories like you worked with in "The Gap Year." I figure Abby Winters has just as "realistic" partner stuff as they do individual women. I just want to see what you do with gender roles in the bedroom :P
From time to time I try to find academic analysis of TG captions, any sort of thesis or critical look at the genre. I've found nothing. It just seems like it's ripe for feminist critique or even just a comparison to other sorts of erotica. You ever find any? -DAGS
Yeah, you're right, the first two M2Fs should be F2Ms. Based on my hit counter, for a site which isn't by any means one of the biggies (in terms of links and followers, at least) there must be fucking tons of people out there who are into this stuff. Body swaps always make me nervous. I'd always be worried that the other person is going to get themselves hit by a bus in my body or something. Maybe I'm just not such a trusting person. :) Anyway, I'll try to bear your suggestions in mind when I'm working on stuff. I like the way you just *assume* that I regularly look for academic analysis of TG captions. Do I really come across as that big a nerd? Well, you're right, I do. I've never found anything, but it would make an excellent project for the right student/academic. You could also look at it in terms of comic theory - Scott McClouds stuff about 'sequential art', and look at what makes a 'good' caption and what makes a bad one, storytelling technique, etc. I've often considered trying to write some kind of essay or analysis myself - I'm not trained in that kind of gender studies/critical theory/etc background, but I'm sufficiently well versed that I could kick-start the conversation, and I'd like to try and untangle the weird relationship that TG fiction has with feminism.
It's a very underground fetish though; never see SNL jokes about TG caps like you do foot fetish jokes!
HA! My biggest fantasy was having a relationship where from time to time we would just swap bodies for a day or week or two. Gotta have trust. Thanks for keeping it in mind.
I suppose I did assume, but I'm glad I haven't miscalculated :) Very much a shame that it's so unexplored academically. I'm taking a Gender Psych class this semester, so if I come up with any neat conclusions I'll get back to you. Where do you think the feminist diagnosis starts? Is this genre of work sexist or worshipful, and then, since many of the pictures come from porn with a very different message, is it inherently tied to exploitation? -DAGS
It is weird that TG stuff seems disproportionately marginalised relative to it's seeming popularity. I do think, however, that in the next, say, decade, somebody will end up writing The TG Fifty Shades, and it'll become that bit more mainstream. And though I don't watch SNL (I'm British) I think you do see cross-dressing (as a fetish) in comedy often enough, though the fiction-writing side of things hasn't been covered anywhere, to my knowledge. That's cool about the Gender Psych class - enjoy! Good luck! It's something I'd like to get into more, but the only psych I've studied (academically rather than just for shits and giggles) is cognitive stuff, where subjective stuff about experience and identity doesn't come into it. As for Feminism and TG fiction (and caps in particular)... well, my thoughts are incomplete, and I don't really have a coherent argument that I'd be willing to defend. But here are a few fragments, at least. Firstly, TG fiction is simultaneously extremely mysogynistic AND feminist. Obviously, I'm talking about some kind of mythical, archetypal TG story here, but... 1. Being female is portrayed as the worst, most humiliating thing in the world: Mysogynistic. 2. Male characters (and readers) are forced to confront male privilege and experience life as a woman: feminist. 3. Feminists are often portrayed as psychotic, abusive harpies. Mysogynist. 4. The desire to change sex implies that being female is desirable or better in some way: feminist. 5. The women men are forced to become are often brainless, sex objects, implying a mysogynistic view of women: Mysogynist. 6. But viewing that as a horrible, humiliating experience carries an implicit criticism of that idea of women, and the way that role is forced on them. Feminist. 7. The way in which male characters have stereotypical feminine gender roles forced upon them can be seen as a critique of the way stereotypical feminine gender roles are forced on girls as they grow up. Feminist. (I'm pretty sure there are a few more entries in this list, but I can't think of them right now). On a related note, it's possible to view TG fantasies as basically a kind of abstract S&M, it's just that instead of being forced to submit and tied up in literal chains and literally whipped, the victim is restrained by the symbolic chains of female gender roles. As for caps themselves - I would argue that they can be an effort to de-objectify the women in the images they come from, that the erotic experience comes from an attempt to experience their bodies subjectively, with the tale of transformation as a sort of bridge between the male and female experience. However, I *would* say that, wouldn't I? I could certainly imagine that some feminists might argue that TG caps are worse than normal porn, as they view the models not as an aesthetically pleasing arrangement of holes to fuck, but express a desire to invade the model's soul. To BE her. That that constitutes a far greater violation. I don't agree with this argument, but I'm not really sure how I'd argue against it, if forced to do so... Anyway... yikes. I've written quite a lot now. I hope that made sense, or was thought-provoking, or... something.
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It'll be a sad loss next week- I mean, Enjoy your real life :P
ReplyDeleteGreat story, lovely real models as always. Wonder how often the girled guys end up with guyed girls, I think you toyed with it once and it was a nifty concept...if you're stuck for ideas :) -DAGS
Thank you!
ReplyDeleteYeah, I probably should take a look at the guyification side of things more. There's very little out there in the way of M2F fiction out there, and I don't think I've EVER seen an M2F cap. I've genuinely considered doing some for the sheer novelty value. I'm not sure the average fan of TG caps sites would really appreciate shots of a naked guy going "God, I love my new cock, this is so much better than being Joanna!" I could do one where there's a M2F and and F2M change - possibly a body swap - but with those things the F2M is usually treated as an afterthought, and I don't like the way the F2M fandom is marginalised in an already niche-community.
So... TLDR? It's tricky, especially finding appropriate images to work with, but I'll bear it in mind. No guarantees though.
(I think you meant F2M most times you said M2F, there.)
ReplyDeleteHAH! If that exact line isn't in the first Female2Male cap you do, I'll be super disappointed.
TG captions are a surprisingly thriving niche community- though I've never found anyone offline who's into it...not that I've asked too many people... Female2Male is a rare breed but can be really solid sometimes (http://crr3483.tumblr.com/post/85178183869/new-female-to-male-caption-made-by-request for example). A body swap would be nifty or more stories like you worked with in "The Gap Year." I figure Abby Winters has just as "realistic" partner stuff as they do individual women. I just want to see what you do with gender roles in the bedroom :P
From time to time I try to find academic analysis of TG captions, any sort of thesis or critical look at the genre. I've found nothing. It just seems like it's ripe for feminist critique or even just a comparison to other sorts of erotica. You ever find any? -DAGS
Yeah, you're right, the first two M2Fs should be F2Ms.
ReplyDeleteBased on my hit counter, for a site which isn't by any means one of the biggies (in terms of links and followers, at least) there must be fucking tons of people out there who are into this stuff.
Body swaps always make me nervous. I'd always be worried that the other person is going to get themselves hit by a bus in my body or something. Maybe I'm just not such a trusting person. :) Anyway, I'll try to bear your suggestions in mind when I'm working on stuff.
I like the way you just *assume* that I regularly look for academic analysis of TG captions. Do I really come across as that big a nerd? Well, you're right, I do. I've never found anything, but it would make an excellent project for the right student/academic. You could also look at it in terms of comic theory - Scott McClouds stuff about 'sequential art', and look at what makes a 'good' caption and what makes a bad one, storytelling technique, etc. I've often considered trying to write some kind of essay or analysis myself - I'm not trained in that kind of gender studies/critical theory/etc background, but I'm sufficiently well versed that I could kick-start the conversation, and I'd like to try and untangle the weird relationship that TG fiction has with feminism.
Forgot to get back to you on all this!
ReplyDeleteIt's a very underground fetish though; never see SNL jokes about TG caps like you do foot fetish jokes!
HA! My biggest fantasy was having a relationship where from time to time we would just swap bodies for a day or week or two. Gotta have trust. Thanks for keeping it in mind.
I suppose I did assume, but I'm glad I haven't miscalculated :) Very much a shame that it's so unexplored academically. I'm taking a Gender Psych class this semester, so if I come up with any neat conclusions I'll get back to you.
Where do you think the feminist diagnosis starts? Is this genre of work sexist or worshipful, and then, since many of the pictures come from porn with a very different message, is it inherently tied to exploitation? -DAGS
It is weird that TG stuff seems disproportionately marginalised relative to it's seeming popularity. I do think, however, that in the next, say, decade, somebody will end up writing The TG Fifty Shades, and it'll become that bit more mainstream. And though I don't watch SNL (I'm British) I think you do see cross-dressing (as a fetish) in comedy often enough, though the fiction-writing side of things hasn't been covered anywhere, to my knowledge.
ReplyDeleteThat's cool about the Gender Psych class - enjoy! Good luck! It's something I'd like to get into more, but the only psych I've studied (academically rather than just for shits and giggles) is cognitive stuff, where subjective stuff about experience and identity doesn't come into it.
As for Feminism and TG fiction (and caps in particular)... well, my thoughts are incomplete, and I don't really have a coherent argument that I'd be willing to defend. But here are a few fragments, at least.
Firstly, TG fiction is simultaneously extremely mysogynistic AND feminist. Obviously, I'm talking about some kind of mythical, archetypal TG story here, but...
1. Being female is portrayed as the worst, most humiliating thing in the world: Mysogynistic.
2. Male characters (and readers) are forced to confront male privilege and experience life as a woman: feminist.
3. Feminists are often portrayed as psychotic, abusive harpies. Mysogynist.
4. The desire to change sex implies that being female is desirable or better in some way: feminist.
5. The women men are forced to become are often brainless, sex objects, implying a mysogynistic view of women: Mysogynist.
6. But viewing that as a horrible, humiliating experience carries an implicit criticism of that idea of women, and the way that role is forced on them. Feminist.
7. The way in which male characters have stereotypical feminine gender roles forced upon them can be seen as a critique of the way stereotypical feminine gender roles are forced on girls as they grow up. Feminist.
(I'm pretty sure there are a few more entries in this list, but I can't think of them right now).
On a related note, it's possible to view TG fantasies as basically a kind of abstract S&M, it's just that instead of being forced to submit and tied up in literal chains and literally whipped, the victim is restrained by the symbolic chains of female gender roles.
As for caps themselves - I would argue that they can be an effort to de-objectify the women in the images they come from, that the erotic experience comes from an attempt to experience their bodies subjectively, with the tale of transformation as a sort of bridge between the male and female experience. However, I *would* say that, wouldn't I? I could certainly imagine that some feminists might argue that TG caps are worse than normal porn, as they view the models not as an aesthetically pleasing arrangement of holes to fuck, but express a desire to invade the model's soul. To BE her. That that constitutes a far greater violation. I don't agree with this argument, but I'm not really sure how I'd argue against it, if forced to do so...
Anyway... yikes. I've written quite a lot now. I hope that made sense, or was thought-provoking, or... something.
oh my yes please me too i want to be a girl!
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